Today on the podcast is my friend, Nick Buegel. As always, Nick and I have great conversations. This was the first one we've had in person since the pandemic started. It was enjoyable for me to have him over to record this. There's something special about being in the same room with someone and having an in-depth discussion about your life or the ideas we've been thinking about. We expanded on what Nick did to cope with the pandemic, meaning what happened through the pandemic and what caused him to explore. What we get into basically is this immersing himself in nature.