Protests, Morality, and Change
In this episode, I'm joined by Jordan Criss and Joe Jackowski. With both of them here, we dive into making sense of the events over the last few weeks.
I opened it with thinking about how the decisions we make will affect not only my life. But the life of my friends and my future children and the children of my friends. And that's where I'm at with all of this, regardless of where, what side you fall on, with all of these arguments going around or anything like that.
It falls on what kind of society do we want to live in?
From my perspective, I see many of these problems as challenging to look at systematically or to solve them on a large scale. I mostly turn to the individual and if people aimed to be as good as they could be with themselves and those around them. Then that informs the society we live in.
What we need to do is understand where other people are coming from. We mentioned a couple of podcasts here and other ideas such as Daryl Davis on Joe Rogan, which I will have a link in the description. And it would help if you watched that podcast. I think him as an example to understand people who are not like you or at least give people the benefit of the doubt. And for him, it always stemmed from the question: How can you hate me if you don't even know me? And I think that's powerful because that's the essence of many of these ideas that have been brought to the surface.
And if you sit down with someone and try to understand them, you realize they're more like you then you would have thought otherwise. They have the same problems that you do, the same worries you do, and the same hopes in the same dreams that you do. Period.
We also cover some ground, understanding morality, and ethics on what it means to be a police officer. And not only just the police officer but in general. I offer a look at What happened through the eyes of a surgeon's code of ethics provided by Peter Attia and normative error. If you want to look it up, I will provide a link in the description. And also offer a link to that podcast that Peter did with his daughter that I mentioned.
But beyond this. We're trying to tackle human nature and human psychology. Many of the problems we're facing are having trouble with how our society is structured. Our society's size is so big that we're not capable of understanding or connecting with all of the people around us. And what we mentioned there has Dunbar's number. We need to do work on trying to create a better framework for understanding other people in our society who may not be experiencing it as we do. Because there's such a kaleidoscope of ways of living in this country That it's, it's challenging for any one person to understand what it's like to live another person's life. And I guess that should go without saying, but we oversimplify these things, and we'd need to be more compassionate.
And to wrap up this intro, I thought COVID would be a wake-up call for our society. And. Honestly, it seems like that's still to be the case. And I mentioned it toward the end of this podcast, thinking about 2025 and how we work through this because I think we do need to start thinking about that.
Because it's not about getting through one day and keeping the foot on the gas now, it's about how do we think about setting. The right step forward for the next decade or further, right. And if we, if we put our honest effort. Now we have a shot of putting a solid step forward to creating a better society.
And so with that, everyone, please enjoy this podcast with Joe Jackowski and Jordan Criss.
Show Notes:
[00:06:45] Opening to the conversation
[00:08:19] The Chaos of the last few weeks
[00:09:06] Jordan's Account of the Chicago Protest
[00:16:01] Aftermath of the protests
[00:19:58] Hierarchical Systems
[00:23:58] Extreme End of Brutality
[00:27:13] Awareness and escaping the moment
[00:34:56] Everyday people and trained professionals
[00:36:52] Normative Error and Peter Attia
#113: Normative errors — a conversation with my daughter about current events | Peter Attia
Ethical Issues of Adverse Events | Krizek TJ. Surgical Error: Ethical Issues of Adverse Events. Arch Surg. 2000;135(11):1359–1366. doi:10.1001/archsurg.135.11.1359
[00:40:50] The Moral Element
[00:43:19] Daryl Davis
#1419 - Daryl Davis (YouTube) | Joe Rogan Experience
The Audacity of Talking About Race With the Ku Klux Kla | The Atlantic
