Joe Jackowski on Between Safety and Autonomy

On today's podcast. I am joined by my friend Joe Jackowski. in this episode, we discuss what has been happening at the University of Michigan as this pandemic unfolds. The discussion shifts into how to think about the pandemic issue. What it seems to come down to is this idea between safety and autonomy for the individual.

I think we mustn't limit the individual's autonomy too much in the scenario. If we become too accustomed to limiting that, getting that freedom back will be very difficult as this pandemic becomes under control. Toward the end of this conversation, we talk about other effects of this pandemic on discussions with nuanced thinking and just dealing with complex problems at a larger scale.

Then we close out by thinking about how technology exasperates, some of these issues, which we will pin for a future conversation on The Social Dilemma movie. So if you're interested in The Social Dilemma or have not watched it and want to hear our thoughts on it, I would highly recommend you watch that film and then stay tuned for the next episode.

And with that, everyone, please enjoy this conversation with Joe Jackowski.

Joe’s Article - Op-Ed: University overreach in the era of COVID-19

Joe’s last appearance on the podcast with Jordan Criss: Protest, Morality and Change

Watch The Social Dilemma - Discussion coming soon!


Show Notes

[00:03:19] How U of M is reacting to the pandemic 

[00:05:33] Michigan Ambassador and Off-Campus

[00:10:15] Reporting students on safety violations

[00:13:34] How is the university able to do this?

[00:16:18] What are the possible ramifications of this change?

[00:21:56] Power granted is not released willingly 

[00:25:03] Awareness of second-order and third-order effects

[00:27:41] Autonomy of the Individual

[00:34:39] What is a solution for the risk of the virus?

Stanley Perlman, M.D., Ph.D.: Insights from a coronavirus expert on COVID-19

[00:38:40] China Tangent

[00:39:54] Tying off the U of M Segment

[00:47:20] The effects on small business owners

[01:07:12] Looking at different maps

[01:16:21] Discussing Social Dilemma next

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