ZACHARY WAGNER is a writer, researcher, and ordained minister–a thinker of thoughts and a feeler of feelings. Originally from Chicagoland, he lives in Oxford, England, pursuing a DPhil (Ph.D.) in New Testament studies at Keble College, University of Oxford. He also serves as the editorial director of the Center for Pastor Theologians, where he co-hosts the CPT Podcast. His research interests include economics in the ancient world, divine wages in Second Temple Judaism and early Christianity, Pauline epistles, the Gospel of Matthew, and New Testament masculinities. His first book, Non-Toxic Masculinity: Recovering Healthy Male Sexuality, was published in 2023 with Intervarsity Press. Zach’s other writing interests include evangelical and “post-vangelical” Christian discipleship, theological formation, and speaking against church-based abuse.

Today, my friend, Joe Jackowski, joins me on the podcast. Joe now holds a bachelor's in biopsychology, cognition, and neuroscience from the University of Michigan.

As he finished up his degree, he took it upon himself to continue exploring where his interests had taken him, specifically in psychology. He's been exploring two influential psychologists and psychotherapists, Erich Neumann and Camille Paglia.

Joe Jackowski is back on the show! We recap what Joe has been up to over the summer and the upcoming school semester.