In today's episode, I'm joined by my friend, Jordan Criss. What makes this podcast a little bit special is that Jordan was actually in person for this episode.

I'm sure most of you will be able to tell the impact of in-person as I felt in this conversation. I think there's just a certain level of energy that is brought to the table. When two people are in the same room, having an engaging conversation. And I really had a good time talking to Jordan as always.

We talk about the difference or the effect of workouts and mindfulness slash meditation. Highlighting what we think about this first year of the pandemic lockdown starting and how different life feels one year later or one year of living through this situation.

Last but not least, that was the through-line of this entire conversation: fulfillment and Jordan's background around creative interests and how society doesn't help foster creativity in people. We can maybe get more ideas on the table to help create a society in which more people can engage in their creative side.

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